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Sinead Butler
Feb 04, 2022
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BBC's Question Time put out the controversial call for unvaccinated people to apply to be members of the audience, so it's no surprise that one of them attempted to challenge the scientist on the panel - and it backfired spectacularly.
Presenter, Fiona Bruce explained in an episode in January: "There are many different reasons why people have chosen not to get the vaccine – we would be interested to explore some of those issues."
Fast forward to last night's programme (February 3rd), where unvaccinated people were part of the audience and of course, there was one man who made the argument that the vaccine has some "fairly horrific side effects" and that "we're working with incomplete data."
He added: "But I think for young, healthy people there's a fairly reasonable argument that the side effects or potential side effects are worse than the possibility for harm from the disease."
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On the panel was Professor Robin Shattock, head of the Mucosal Infection and Immunity at Imperial College London’s Medicine department who said: "I think the actual evidence for the safety of the vaccine and its efficacy in a healthcare setting is so overwhelming."
"We have far more safety data on the current vaccines as they have been in the arms of billions of people,’ he said, and added that the data is out there for people to look at to see stats on the risks and ‘serious adverse events,’ noting they are ‘extremely rare’.
"The evidence and facts are there and they're indisputable," he later added.
Though, immediately the unvaccinated man chimed in again to - you guessed it - dispute what Prof Shattock had just said.
there\u2019s a man on question time, whose qualifications include a philosophy degree, attempting to school a professor of immunology on the yellow card system. \n\nfascinating viewingpic.twitter.com/pmO9vATWHy— Ava-Santina (@Ava-Santina) 1643930816
"I appreciate that, I mean I've looked at the data myself," he said after checking his notes before going on about the yellow card system for reporting adverse drug reactions which when Bruce questioned him.
"What's interesting here, listening to you is that you've got Robin here who is a world-renowned expert, developing vaccines, researching vaccines for HIV and Ebola, he's given you the information he's given you and you're going through your notes finding all sorts of other things - is nothing he says credible to you given what an eminent scientist he is?"
To which the unvaccinated man responded by noting that he studied philosophy at university and that he learned "an appeal to authority is not an automatic win of an argument." He then brought up Professor Robert Malone, a former vaccine scientist turned sceptic, who made an appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast to make unfounded claims and slam the Covid vaccine.
The camera pans to an amused Prof Shattock as the audience member falsely claimed Prof Malone is "the man who invented the vaccine."
Prof Shattock calmly responded to the man's claims and called them "nonsense." He informed him that Prof Malone didn't invent mRNA vaccines but that it was actually the research from the companies BioNTech and Moderna.
Of course, Twitter had a field day over this exchange and loved the fact that Prof Shattock put the audience member in his place.
While many also couldn't believe the confidence of the unvaccinated man to question Prof Shattock's qualifications, knowledge and experience.
The Dunning-Kruger effect: when someone very inept massively overestimates their ability on a subject.\n\nSee also: This clip. \n\n The "I studied philosophy at university" is PERFECT.https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Dr David Robert Grimes (@Dr David Robert Grimes) 1643962790
every straight, single woman has been on a terrible Hinge date with a bloke just like this at some point in their liveshttps://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Susie Beever (@Susie Beever) 1643960575
Hilarious and utterly depressing in equal measure. The audience member could not be more of a clich\u00e9.https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Medlife Crisis (Rohin) (@Medlife Crisis (Rohin)) 1643960290
Next time I\u2019m unsure of myself I\u2019m going to comeback to this clip. The utterly arrogance and delusion is what I will be replicating from now onhttps://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Tobias- Head of vibes and Inshallah gang (@Tobias- Head of vibes and Inshallah gang) 1643962034
This is what every nurse and doctor and ACP has experienced over the last two years daily.\n\nEveryone is an expert because Sandra on Facebook said so.https://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Dr Mike \ud83d\ude37 (@Dr Mike \ud83d\ude37) 1643961179
Lord give me the confidence of a posh boy with a degree in philosophy. https://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— MarcB (@MarcB) 1643960081
Siri - show me a real world example of a Wikipedia degree. The breathtaking self-confidence is simply phenomenalhttps://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Ian (@Ian) 1643959662
This kid needs to do a bit more studying philosophy and bit less time listening to long form podcasts from huckstershttps://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Dr Adam Rutherford (@Dr Adam Rutherford) 1643959846
This is visual representation of twitter debateshttps://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— #DISUNOMICS (@#DISUNOMICS) 1643935719
oh my god, perfect summary of the "I think you'll find I am more of an expert than this expert with my printed out google notes"https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Robin Ince \ud83d\udc99 (@Robin Ince \ud83d\udc99) 1643935513
This is what annoys me when people say \u201cI\u2019ve done some research myself\u201d. Have you conducted experiments which have then been retested, then peer reviewed by other scientists or do you just mean \u201cI\u2019ve googled it & picked out the bits that are in line with what I want to believe\u201d?https://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Liv (@Liv) 1643961729
The state of thishttps://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Roshana Mehdian-Staffell (@Roshana Mehdian-Staffell) 1643960719
He does sound like a really insufferable first year philosophy undergrad at a gaff right enoughhttps://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Fraz\ud83c\udff4\udb40\udc67\udb40\udc62\udb40\udc73\udb40\udc63\udb40\udc74\udb40\udc7f\ud83c\uddea\ud83c\uddfa (@Fraz\ud83c\udff4\udb40\udc67\udb40\udc62\udb40\udc73\udb40\udc63\udb40\udc74\udb40\udc7f\ud83c\uddea\ud83c\uddfa) 1643941791
I admire confidence but\u2026.https://twitter.com/avasantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Deborah Meaden \ud83d\udc99 (@Deborah Meaden \ud83d\udc99) 1643932922
My favourite part is when he employs the "appeal to authority fallacy" and then... appeals to the authority of another who he agrees with\n\nBeautiful stuff.https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1489379907964649474\u00a0\u2026— Alexander Lerche (@Alexander Lerche) 1643953069
The BBC faced criticism and were previously described as "irresponsible" for calling on unvaccinated people to apply to be an audience member.
A BBC spokesperson told indy100 at the time: “There are still substantial numbers of the British public who are not vaccinated, especially in particular areas and communities. We think this is an interesting part of the debate which is worthy of discussion. Question Time always strives to discuss each side of every argument. This is about listening to, and understanding, our audience members. The BBC has always made the scientific consensus on vaccination very clear.”
On the matter of safety, they added:
“The safety of our audience and panellists is paramount and nothing has changed in terms of our audience requirements. We ask all audience members to provide either proof of full vaccination, evidence of a negative LFT, or proof of recent recovery from Covid. The audience seating arrangements are socially distanced, we ensure there is good ventilation in our venues and we ask audience members to wear a mask when not speaking.”
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